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Yale: They should just make an offer (for both, maybe) and shut the idea down - before somebody bigger scoops it up and really puts the gas on. Nobody that big is really interested in the idea, although they should be - mostly because their hardware / software is otherwise superior and they want in on the BBM pie. I could see Google doing it for shits, the lols and/or the good of mankind. This will be interesting... If they're bought out it would probably take a long time for it to be developed from scratch, and what is the chance of another startup really gaining such traction like Kik did? Nov 16, 10
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Amanie: Well, until RIM customers start complaining, I don't think Kik will stand a chance in fighting this. RIM is probably just hoping things shut down quietly and that their customers won't care and/or notice. Nov 24, 10
Omar: I seriously can't believe that RIM is doing this. I can understand if they could hide behind some app store approval policy like Apple has done in various cases, but this is so blatantly anti-competitive. This is particularly scathing since RIM and Kik are essentially neighbours in Waterloo! That RIM would try to destroy a local startup like this is disgustingly shameful.Of course as a private company RIM does have the right to enforce these policies, so the question remains - what will be the net result?From Kik's perspective I think this will be a wash. The big negative is right now they don't have access to the RIM audience which is quite large. However, they are getting a lot of attention and press out of this so for sure they're going to see more downloads on the other platforms.From RIM's perspective I think this is a desperate move from an increasingly irrelevant company. If they feel Kik threatens their BBM service then how about they improve the service itself. So lame RIM. So lame! Nov 24, 10
Lefty: As crappy as this decision is for Kik users and Kik itself I do have to say that I understand where RIM is coming from. BBM is hands down the lifeblood of BlackBerrys in the consumer space (corporate world has their security and email functionality) combine that with the growing issue RIM is having with BlackBerry retention rates and it's no wonder that RIM has decided not to allow a cross platform messaging service to infiltrate their devices (at least not right now because I do believe that the demand for a cross platform messaging service will eventually become too great for any mobile OS manufacturer to squash). But in the meantime RIM has and should do whatever it can to stop people from jumping ship. Nov 24, 10
Erik: @Lefty But what about the strategy of embracing technologies like Kik for retention purposes? It seems like these head-in-the-sand techniques are what got RIM into this mess in the first place. RIM is looking more and more like a dinosaur to me every day. @Omar It doesn't only affect BB users. If an iPhone Kik user has 1/3 of their friends on the BB platform. Their experience is crippled as well, since they won't be able to use Kik together. Nov 24, 10
Omar: You know what, now that I think about it and with @lefty's comment I think this is already going to be a net negative for RIM. I think that Kik has already or will soon cross the boundary that will make it mainstream. I'd say 10 million users is mainstream enough, and Kik will probably get there before the end of the year, especially with the extra attention from being banned and all of that.Now, iOS and Android are totally outpacing Blackberry sales. And you'll have pockets of friends that are going to be on Kik so they can stay connected. Well, you're going to have one or two people in a pocket that have Blackberry and won't be able to get in on the messaging fun. This use case is probably the most compelling reason a person has to jump ship.Fine, you have browser comparisons, feature comparisons, etc etc. People can explain those away. But if somebody feels like they're missing out of social communications - there's not a more powerful force in the world. That person missing out WILL switch from Blackberry guaranteed. It's for this reason that RIM should bring Kik back ASAP. Nov 24, 10
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