So, what are your thoughts on the latest PlayStation 3 rumor?


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In preparation for the upcoming Holiday Season console battle, analysts such as Michael Patcher were predicting that Sony would cut the 80GB PS3's price to $499. However, the latest rumor is somewhat surprising.  It is the second rumor stating that Sony will not only cut the 80GB PS3's price to $499, but will also introduce a 40GB PS3 SKU for $399. It also says that Sony will bundle Spider-Man 3 on Blu-Ray into one, or maybe even both, of the two SKU's. The rumor comes from Ars Technica, who says it's from their reliable Mole. This "Mole" was right about the Xbox 360 Version of Rock Band coming with a wired guitar instead of a wireless one, and about the HDMI on the 360 SKU's. It also appears that Sony will drop the PS2's price to $99, which isn't that surprising. Any news regarding this rumor could possibly be announced at the upcoming Tokyo Games Show.

Although, if the only difference between the 40 and 80 PS3 SKU's would be Hardrive Storage, it would be a better deal to purchase the 40GB PS3, since the Hardrive can be swapped out and be replaced by any standard 2.5 inch SATA HDD. The Spider Man 3 decision, would not be all that surprising either, considering Sony would want to push Blu-Ray as much as possible this Holiday Season, especially after the recent Viacom fiasco.

You can read about this here:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25911517

What are your thoughts on this?

This post was edited by HK-47m4 on 9/10/2007 7:47 PM
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If you join this rumor with the recent IPO that Sony offered to raise funds for their video game division things do start to make a little sense. However, a 40GB/80GB SKU split don't really make much sense. I mean if the hard drive size is the only difference then there's really no point. At least with the current 60/80 split you have the addition of Motorstorm to the 80GB version. 40GB in hard drive space is NOT worth $100 so something is fishy here right away.

Honestly speaking, this sounds more like wishful thinking than "inside sourcez". Everybody thinks that the PS3 can NOT be $599 for the holidays. Meaning that when the 60GB is sold out the 80GB better drop in price. So that's where THAT comes from. However, $499 is still a pretty poor price point, so Sony "has" to have an offer at $399 right? So let's just make one up! Am I saying it's impossible for this to happen, obviously not. I just don't think it's likely. It's all VERY confusing. And honestly, IF Sony were releasing a new SKU for the holiday season the retailers would have to know about it NOW. Holidays are a very important time, and you just don't start introducing new crap and confuse potential customers. Stores don't like it.

Now we can talk about the hypothetical situation that would occur if Sony were to have a 40GB offering at $399. Would it be enough? I think it'd definitely help. Honestly, if Sony runs into the worse case scenario where they're left with the languishing 500/600 price points they're going to get absolutely demolished this holiday. Even with a 400 price they're still going to get beat, but they won't get beat badly. And this is the important thing... making an aggressive move like this will show 3rd party developers that Sony is willing to put their money into the system to help grow their userbase. This increases developer/publisher confidence in the system that it'll eventually get the user base to support their games, so they'll continue to release games for it.

If Sony's share of the marketplace dips dramatically lower after the end of the year then they could be in a very rough position where 3rd parties start divesting out of their ports and technology. If that happens then the PS3 is officially screwed. It'll still survive but it'll be relegated to less than Gamecube status for a long while. So... considering how important this move would be, I've now convinced myself that this rumor is actually pretty likely. I hope it happens, it'd definitely make the console wars more interesting and I'd love to see how Microsoft responds.

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If Sqaure Enix and Konami hold on to the PS3, than the 2008 Release Schedule will be impressive. Still though, Sony probably cares about the Format War more than the Console War right now. So I bet this will happen, because the PS3 is the reason why Blu-Ray is winning. Still though, I think it would be a smart idea for Sony to send Warner Brothers a check to make them go Blu-Ray exclusive. Warner Brothers really should choose a side, their the only neutral studio left.

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I think seeing the constant change in status of various ports is a reflection of publisher's undulating confidence in the platform. For whatever reason Namco is now feeling more confident about the system announcing ports of Ace Combat 6, Beautiful Katamari, and Eternal Sonata. ES and AC6 were already expected to come out for the PS3, but the BK is the interesting one. Initially it was announced as multiplatform, and then PS3 version got canceled and replaced with a Wii version. Now all three are to be released! Maybe it was a marketing exclusive that MS paid for, or maybe Namco really did think about not releasing a PS3 version.

In terms of the console war the PS3 has already lost. The chances that it will be able to overtake the 360 anytime soon is slim to none, and the gap is only widening. This will become more true this holiday season. However, just like the Gamecube, the PS3 doesn't have to die. Not by a long shot. Due to the close nature of the two HD consoles, there will be a steady stream of great titles released by 3rd parties, alongside the fantastic first party Sony titles. So other than some chest beating and forum threads, Sony fans don't have much to complain about... unlike Nintendo fans with the Gamecube as titles started to get canceled left and right.

Interesting enough I think Blu-Ray is suffering due to the poor news of the PS3. Even though BR is doing substantially better than HD-DVD from a relative sense mainly DUE to the PS3, the bad aura around the PS3 is spreading to BR as well in a paradoxical kind of way. I've said this before, and I believe it's more true now than ever before. BR and HD-DVD are just hold overs until Digital Distribution gets going. Considering that sales are so low for the high-def markets, and consumers are staying away, and the war looks like it'll be continuing for a while both formats are just going to be relegated to the niche. It's already happened. People just don't care about BR and HD-DVD anymore. The momentum is gone.

It's not just Sony and Toshiba's fault. It's the entire electronics industry. When you read scary stats like 50% of people with HDTVs only watch standard definition content then you know something is wrong. People get confused by BR and HD-DVD, how in heck do you expect them to grasp things like 720p/1080i/1080p resolution?! Even I get confused! That's not even considering things like Plasma/LCD/Projector/DLP and then Component/HDMI. Even HDMI has different versions!

Companies are so eager to one-up each other in their tech spec sheet checkmarks that they've completely left the average consumer out in the dust. Well having a new press release touting a new feature over your rival is all fine and dandy, but ultimately when nobody buys your crap nobody will be laughing.

Sorry for that rant, but it really pisses me off.

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Just to illustrate my point about diminishing development on the PS3, here's a quote by Koji Igarashi, producer of the Castlevania series, in the most recent Game Informer magazine:

GI: With Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles getting approved, which means the game is more or less finished. When do you think we’ll hear about what you’re working on next?

Igarashi: I will be working on a DS version, but I am thinking of moving to the home consoles for the future. I will continue to use 2D for the DS version, but I’m still trying to figure out which console to do the home console versions. I think the Xbox 360 would be the best platform for the U.S. market.

GI: You wouldn’t make it for the PS3 and Xbox 360?

Igarashi: Yes, it’s one option. (laughs) But development would be very tough. The U.S. market is the biggest market for the Castlevania series, so I will give the first priority to the U.S. market. The platform will be the Xbox 360, since the PS3 isn’t doing well everywhere in the world. As you know, Konami will release Metal Gear for the PS3, so Metal Gear might expand the PS3 market. In that case, we may release Castlevania for the PS3.

So right there he's saying that the PS3 install base just isn't enough. Like you said HK Sony really needs for MGS4 and FFXIII to sell extremely well and kick start the sales. Otherwise it'll be a bad bad bad situation. Actually, if those two titles don't sell well, they'll just be ported to 360 and then Sony would be REALLY screwed.

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Well that interview adds confindence to MGS4 staying exclusive, but I think it will be ported if it sells bad. But I kind of wonder about the Wii though. I'm thinking, you can only wave the wii remote so much before it gets boring, but then things like Wii Fit will come along, and be huge, but I don't know. Do you think the Wii's days are numbered or is it here to stay? I'm not sure about either one of those.

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I've been thinking a lot about the Wii and I'm still unsure. I mean, sure the initial momentum is absolutely ridiculous, but I'm thinking LONG TERM. I mean, are people REALLY going to be playing Wii in 4 years? 5? 6? The Wii is very cool, don't get me wrong. In fact it turned out a lot better than I thought. However, it's still suffering from a lot of the problems I predicted. I still think that Nintendo has lost some of their audience, but they've also gained a very big new audience as well. The question is, what will make these people happy?

I think people that are interested in WiiFit are already interested in Wii Sports for the fitness aspects. People who are interested in Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Brothers are already interested in Zelda for the Nintendo goodness. There's nothing in the future that I can see that expands over what the Wii CURRENTLY offers.

Contrast this with PS3 and 360 where they have a TON of potential. I mean, most of the biggest games from last generation haven't even launched in the next gen yet. The biggest games are Madden, GTA, Gran Turisimo and Halo. Madden has FINALLY entered the next-gen for real being 60FPS on the 360 and having all the old features, plus new ones. Halo will be releasing in a couple of weeks. Gran Turisimo and GTA won't be releasing until next year.

The difference between those titles and the Wii titles, is that the audiences haven't moved. The Halo players by and large haven't moved on from Halo 2 yet. That will happen when Halo 3 launches. Same with Gran Turisimo players. Same with GTA folk. And MGS4. And the RPG players. Etc etc.

So let's look at Japan. Recent reports show a pretty substantial decline in weekly Wii sales even though supply is very much available. The drop is continuing to occur so it remains to be seen where the weekly hardware sales will stabilize. Obviously they'll fluctuate with game releases, but the days of 80K/week with no new releases seem over (until the holidays hit of course). If that falls in line with my theory then the Wii is actually in pretty serious trouble.

I've always said that the Wii will sell until it stops selling. Meaning, it'll sell at a ridiculous pace, and at some point will very quickly "fall off a cliff" and sell at a very slow pace. The big question is where the edge of that cliff is located. If 100 million people want what the Wii offers then sales will be insane until all 100 million are satisfied. But what if that number is 10 million? 20 million?

You want my prediction? Now that WiiFit has been delayed until 2008. I think that for October, November and December the 360 will outsell the Wii in the United States.

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The PS3 has already lost. If they do drop the price and change the models, this would probably cause Microsoft to lower their price, and the the 360 will dominate. Hopefully that's what happens, because all the consoles are overpriced anyway. Who needs them when you have the iPod Touch. Halo 3 would be nice, but I think I can wait. There is now way it can top Halo 2. There is nothing to improve on, except graphics. (But those shield grenades are pretty cool...)
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Dialup, have you SEEN what Halo 3 is bringing to the table? I filled in the description of the Halo 3 product report so you can see all the new and crazy stuff that is being introduced. I mean 4 player online co-op is an incredible new feature alone. Then you have the saved films features. And then you have the forge features. And you combine it all together and you get something that is going to set the benchmark for FPS titles for a long time.

I agree with you that the HD consoles are overpriced. Fortunately for me I got one for free in a contest, and I got another one for half price by scamming EB Games :) That was during the launch period too!

Lately I've seen some friends of mine pick up a 360 for pretty cheap on the used market. Though used 360s are nothing more than ticking time bombs.

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How did you manage to scam EB games? And what does SKU stand for? On the topic of people not getting the HD content on their HD TV's, part of the reason is because the cable and satellite companies are really greedy and charge you more for the HD content, than just the regular. Once TV goes digital, I think you'll start to see more people actually getting HD on their HD TV.

About Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, what we need is a standard to be picked by some standards orginization such as IEEE , or HPNA like orginization that handles TV, and Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will become something else. It's good Warner Brothers has stayed neutral because there going to end up winning money wise. Did you notice that (the movie) 300 was on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. That means that have a twice as large HD audience to make money off of. I am definitely not getting a player for either disc until one actually does win, and prices go down.

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