Global Warming: Fact or Fiction?


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Just wanted to know your thoughts on this highly disputed topic.

I for one believe that global warming is a real threat. I also believe the sceptics view, that the earth is only going through a competely natural warm phase. In my opinion both of these, the natural warming and the greenhouse effect caused by human polution, are needed to cause such large rises in temperature so fast. The movie "An Inconvenient Truth" talks about global warming in more detail than I can write here. Many dispute the fact that this is a truth because of the lack of temperature change at the start of the industrial revolution, when humans realy started their campaign of polution. The supporters of global warming say that a change is not immediate, the change will come slowly. They also say that we are reaching the tipping point, unless we do something to lessen our poluting ways we can never turn back. We'll just have to cope.

PLease let me know what you think, it's a very intereseting topic (one that could effect our very existance on earth). We are not on a completely safe rock floating through space. Humans are just a thread in the tapestry of the universe.

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Silence, I read your article and even though i already knew your thoughts, i still find that belieiving the skeptics and our emission of greenhouse gases is logical. However, as I discussed with my father and you, the United States has clean emission factories, unlike some countries in the world such as China, and this is because most of the products we purchase at stores are manufactured in China. The Earth is a large planet to us, but it is small if you consider the other planets in our solar system. I think that the Earth is going through a course, and the article on global warming we read said the Earth was probably going to cool down in probably eight years. However, as we both had disagreeing terms on this, the Earth's temperature rose 1 degree on the entire surface. You think this is significant because you were telling me about the north or south poles. I however, think this is insiginificant because on a temperature scale, one degree is not that much. As i said, i believe what my dad told me that the earth is going through a natural cycle. However, our putting CO2 into the air is playing a small role in this, but it is mostly the eearth's doing, which is my opinion.

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My view is, even if global warming is non-existant, are there really any problems with cleaning up the earth? This is something we have to do do eventually anyway, why not start now? It may be a little expensive, but thats the price we get for polluting the earth in the first place. This would be beneficial even if global warming is a total sham. And if global warming realy is threatening the planet, we will have taken steps to eliminate the problem. It's a win win situation.

@Chidori One of the theories that exist to explain the extinction of the dinosaurs is that the planets temperature rose a mere twelve degrees. That "small" change could very easily have killed the dominate species on earth at the time. Also, however much we may like to think so, we are not a very "clean" place. In this automobile dependant nation, full of coal burning factories and power plants, we produce a heck of a lot of pollution. China may have more coal burning than us, but we still have a lot to work on. We haven't even signed the Kyoto protocal. Is it really a problem to drive a car with 60 miles to the gallon instead of 20?

 

This post was edited by silence omo7 on 1/23/2007 6:55 PM
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Now Silence, Is it really possible to clean up the Earth? You can stroll down to the park and throw the trash into a garbage can, but how could we possibly clean the earth? We don't have a vaccuum that can suck all the CO2 out of the air, and if we did, we would have to have them in various places because of the size of the Earth. I do agree with you however that we could drive vehicles with less fuel consumption to the gallon. However, how can we convince everyone to drive in those types of cars when the tree huggers are being hypocrites by telling us to stop putting exhaust into the air, while they're flying around in their jets and riding around in their limousines. Going back to the cars, everyone who is currently of age or older to drive cars has a different kind of car. How can we ensure that every car is outfitted and remade so they have less fuel consumption? It would take a lot of money from auto shops and car companies to remake those cars, and it would cost a bundle on us. Even if it does come to this, we can't be sure everyones' cars are outfitted to meet these specifications. I'm getting tired of typing this article, so i'll be waiting for your reply.
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Hi Chidori, your last post about how it's too difficult to do some things, so we shouldn't do anything at all, is a recipe for disaster. It might cost some money now, but if we don't make changes, it's going to cost us a hell of a lot more later on. Prevention being substantially cheaper and more effective than curing after the fact. I'm sure you've heard that before.

Furthermore, you're basing a lot of your statements on the false presumption that we, as a people, don't have power. We do. There are so many people in just North America, that if we all did a little bit, it would have a dramatically positive effect on the environment. Not just global warming and that kind of thing, but you'll see immediate benefits from these changes as well, such as cleaner air when you go for a walk, nicer parks and streets. Your local neighbourhood will just be a cleaner, nicer place to live in. This is actually one of the things a lot of people forget when they point to China and say "Hey, they pollute why can't we?!" Well other countries pollution do have effects on our own, however, it's more of a global thing, just because you have some smokestacks in China doesn't mean you're going to get Smog in the US or Canada. The reason you have smog in the North America is because of the smokestacks in North America.

So doing something individually, yourself, WILL have an effect. It's not going to happen overnight. But people that are smart, and can think about the future properly, will know they have to lead by example. And one by one the polluters will have less people to point at and say "They're doing it, why can't I?" when the only person they'll be able to point at is themselves. And honestly, imagine doing something bad in school. Is the fact that other people are doing it really a justification? Obviously not! You always hear "If everybody jumped off a cliff, would you?" from parents, teachers, etc. Well that's exactly what people are doing and justifying! By saying "China's polluting so I can too!" is like saying "They're running off a cliff, so I will too!" Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

Also, it's best not to call it Global Warming. When you use that terminology, then that has a very specific meaning that the world is getting warmer. Then you'll have people say "What? It's never been colder here! Forget Global Warming!" It's actually Climate Change. Places that were cold before, become warmer, places that were warmer become colder, places that were dry become wet, etc. The world will undergo massive changes and it'll be violent, and people will be caught up in the mess. Climate change is already happening, and we are having an effect. Are we the only factor? Of course not, climate change happens on its own as part of Earth's natural cycle, however, we are having a big effect, and humans are very vulnerable to violent changes in the weather. So it's in our best interest to mitigate our effects on the environment.

Fortunately, going green is becoming more and more common. I'm actually surprised, and highly encouraged, by how much environmental awareness is coming to the forefront of mainstream discussion. Al Gore on Oprah talking about how you can cheaply and effectively reduce energy consumption in your own home. I think this has a lot to do with the fact that environmental products for the home, actually save you money! They do double duty because they lower energy costs, which uses up less energy of course, which ends up saving you money sometimes within only a year or two!

Things are going to get worse before they get better, but the winds of change are already here, and North America is at the beginning stages of going green. Hopefully this isn't a false start and really blossoms into something that becomes a fundamental part of our culture.

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@Chidori  I don't mean literaly cleaning up the mess we've made. What's done is done, and we can't really do much about that. What I meant was we should be taking the steps to stop making the mess bigger. On the issue about cars, it is totally logical that we can't outfit every car in cirrculation to be eco friendly. However, any cars sold rom this point on can easily be equiped with "green" features, for little extra cost to the consumers. Ant the bit about treehuggers? They aren't trying to tell us to stop driving our cars. That's absurd. They're just encouraging the use of cars that get better MPG. It saves us gas money anyway, so why not. On a side note, that article you showed me that claims climate change is a total hoax; it mentions that trees absorb most if not all of the CO2 we put into the air. Trees need CO2 to survive. The article failed to mention that if you overload a tree with CO2 it will die, and if you cut down the tree it will release most of the CO2 it has stored back into the air. For example, the amazon rainforest. These trees have been around for a long time, and have seen a lot of CO2. Think about the rate of deforestsation occuring there. Thats quite a bit of CO2 back into the air isn't it.  

@Omar  Absolutely. Totally right. The public is really becoming aware of the benefits of purchasing eco friendly products because, as you mentioned, they save money. We may have a shot as saving this place from climate changes devestating effects if everyone pitches in.

This post was edited by silence omo7 on 1/21/2007 1:18 PM
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You can actually see the small but growing list of eco-friendly products on the site here. This is actually something that I want to see ProductWiki become a big force with. Showcasing to people all of the eco-friendly products that are available and how to use them to save your money and not have a negative impact on your way of living. The great thing about eco-friendly products is that they're often very new, so they're made with the latest technology and building materials.

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I am not specifically talking to anyone, but this is a shoutout to Silence and Omar. I read your replies and have found them very logical, and we all have our opinions on global warming. I will probably no longer comment on this, as both of you seem to be on a certain side. However, i did enjoy hearing your opinions about global warming, and i thought it was fun to comment on your replies. Thank you for giving your opinions.
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For the record, I do belive that humans contribute global warming.  I try to stay away from the media on this topic and look to this website: realclimate.org for info.  It's a blog by climate scientists.

In one of the articles it talks about how they know that some of the carbon in the atmosphere is man made because the burning of fossil fuels produces a unique carbon isotope which they are finding in increasing amounts. So, I don't question its existance or the threat that it poses.

People do have the power.  The questions are: will they use it and do they care enough.  It is easy to complain, protest, and petition the government to do something which is what everyone seems to be content with doing.  However, how many folks out there went out and replaced every bulb in their house with an energy efficient one?  How many people bought one bulb?  How many people will carpool, ride a train, walk, telecommute, or move out of suburbia and closer to their jobs as a result?  My thought is that even the one light bulb is too much of a stretch for most people and you won't see any change in behavior until something drastic happens like the Colorado River drying up as a result of the loss of snowpack in the Rockies.

You vote every day of your life with the dollars that you spend.  If no one buys petrolium based products and energy, then those guys won't continue burning petro to make those products because there is no demand for it.  So all we can do is change our individual buying habits and spread the word about sustainability.

Oh, and be careful what you wish for as far as ethenol is concerned as a 'green' solution to the petrolium problem.

This post was edited by sistersylvie on 1/22/2007 12:15 PM
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@silence, I liked your point "My view is, even if global warming is non-existant, are there really any problems with cleaning up the earth? This is something we have to do do eventually anyway, why not start now?"

I agree completely. I mean, why not? Let's put aside all the evidence and assume that there isn't a major climate change happening. But, logically, we know it will happen eventually and we will have a major effect on it. So...why not clean it up? Why not be pro-active? (Although I really believe we're being reactive)

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